Wednesday, 18 February 2015

TO Jennifer Huppert, president@jccv.org.au

 
 
From: g87
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 3:23 PM
Subject: EMAIL TO JCCV!!!!!president@jccv.org.au JENNIFER HUPPERT
 

To
Jennifer Huppert, President
 
  • Shalom again, Zephania Wachs
    INTERESTING LINKS:
     
    Dear Jennifer Huppert
    Give my regards to Steven; I have not seen him in Mizrachi shul for decades. I got along with him very well.
    That is fine: some of my best friends do not come to shul – or may do so without my knowledge or ‘permission.’
    Others are leftist politicians – not that there is anything much wrong with that either.
     
    With apologies to the cliche’s author and / leftist politicians and Seinfeld derivative comment.
    I know I could dig up some socialist friends.....
     
    The above is merely to let my bcc readers know where I come from and who you, Alex Fein and Bracha Rafael are / seem to be...
     
     
    I write to you with respect to what seems to me a  feeding frenzy by various people in attacking Rabbis Kluwgant and Telsner.
     
    I concentrate for now on Rabbi Telsner.
    Note that there is much material on my blogs: and of course no time has been found to post material re the Royal Commission.
    Many of the links below have barely been read by my person.
    Too much has happened too quickly for salient commentary.
     
    So note please that with all the above as a consideration, that it is your commentary about Rabbi Telsner that has elicited this email which will also be on my my cognate blog within a minute of this email being sent to you.
    You can respond publically on y blog – or to this email; – or not at all if that is your choice.
     
    Here we go.
    Please appreciate that this may be too cryptic for you.
    I will try to be not so. No gratuitous insult intended.
     
    If Rabbinic sources hold that homosexual behaviour can be untaught let it be seen as having been values of another era.
    Everything in the world should be so seen. It does not excuse things  – but this link is worth exploring: find something and let us learn! I have no idea what resides here.
    But it may help ....
     
     
    The more progressive [gee – I hate that word!] ideas indicate that it is not so.
     
    I personally think nice Jewish gays should get to know nice Jewish girls / lesbians and lots of problems would be solved.
    What an elegant solution, non? 
     
    Physically it should work – as my understanding is that the very essence of homosexual being is all in the heads of nice Jewish gays and nice Jewish lesbians.
    WOW! I bet you have not had such an original idea.
    Why not write to ALEPH?


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    But there may be problems I concede. Another day, Jennifer.
     
    So tell me dear Jennifer.
     
    There are some brutal things in the Torah. Which other religions’ holy books do you want to compare?
     
    BUT IT IS THE CHRISTIANS WHO BURNED WITCHES AND PROSECUTED HOMOSEXUALS, JENNIFER.
    Jews may have in their great books matters material – but there is today nothing in the way all people Jews et al  behave towards gays that would suggest that your comments are fair? Surely Jennifer – Rabbi Telsner’s comment – as erroneous as it may be – is an irrelevancy basis the obvious.
     
    I notice many articles about how pale faced people want to pretend they are aboriginal.
    That says much about the wonderful world we live in.
    Further, to wit, that it is a wonderful world we live in which gays of all genders and eclectic derivations -  are also proud of who they are...gay pride marches et al. Plainly none are prosecuted nor does their lifestyle disadvantage them.
     
    IN THE GENERAL TO THE SPECIFIC – RABBI TELSNER’S COMMENTS ARE NOT WORTH MANIPULATING [see Rafael et al]
    They enjoy complete freedom no matter how the activists conflate the marriage they want to partake in.
    I do not go there – it is purposeless. Surely.
     
    But you should note – that there are no logical corrolaries to Rabbi Telsner’s comments: they were harmless in any real – world sense – no matter how YOU AND ACTIVISTS OF THE LEFT attempt to conflate it.
     
    There are no victims, Jennifer.
     
    The grounds of schools are not sexual playgrounds [oops] or should not be!There is naturally a heterosexual lifestyle and Jewish values taught.
     
    AND HERE IS THE REALITY FOR YOU:
    Gay children will in reality be au natural disadvantaged by living in a world where 99% are ‘DIFFERENT’ from them.
    NOTE – not 90%!
    This is the way it has to be!!
     
    THERE IS NO COMPLETE SOLUTION: AND IT SEEMS NO POINT IN YOU PRETENDING THAT SOMEHOW – IN ANY IMPORTANT WAY – THAT THE RABBI HAS DONE ANYTHING THAT FORCES ME TO THINK THAT AN IMPOSSIBLE PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED BY ANYONE.
    NOT – ME – I HAVE NO ANSWERS,
    NOT ANY SCHOOL – THE CHRISTIAN – NOR ISLAM – HINDUS AND SCIENTOLOGISTS NOT EVEN MY PURGED LABOR PARTY PEOPLE HAVE A SOLUTION.https://www.google.com.au/#q=Geoff+seidner+pulp
     
    AND KINDLY NOTE AGAIN – RABBI T’s sadly conflating gays modus vivendi with sexual abuse is not quite that way
    A generous analysis of even Rafael’s article almost says it.
    I do not see how any potential gay child would be disadvantaged.
    OH!
    And if they were – it would be in spite of Rabbi Telsner’s comments – and not because of same.
     
    It is so tempting to compare Judaism with others: but you will think that I am getting away from the subject.
    And I verily tell you – without even that comparison in all realms – your comments are outrageous.
    NO ORTHODOX RABBI WILL STRAY FAR FROM THE VALUES OF RABBI TELSNER: sadly he is victim of you grossly overcooking it all.
     
    In the end – as even Rafael admits – Rabbi T is essentially doing what comes easily to great men – even those who make errors.
    They do not dump on their father in law!
    it is called mentschlechkeit Jennifer.
     
    Maybe it was not prudent – but I tell you – if I gave myself more time to edit and add more. It would have been nice to look at this before I pressed the send button.
    Yours Sincerely
     
    Geoff Seidner
    East StK
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    author in the and    too quickly.
    I have cut and pasted links and synopsees of articles in the current
     
     
     
     
     

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    Rabbi Is Out Of Line & Out Of Touch With The Community

    16 February 2015
    Much of the evidence presented at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse over the past two weeks has been seriously disturbing, appalling and distressing. One of the lows was the statement made by Rabbi Zvi Telsner, a senior rabbi in the Yeshivah community, that homosexuals can be 'cured'.
    This is repulsive, ignorant and insulting, demonstrating a serious departure from the views of the mainstream Jewish community.
    Rabbi Telsner also linked paedophilia and homosexuality in his testimony. Any such linking is disturbing and indeed toxic. Those comments are poisonous to people of diverse sexual preference, their families and friends.
    The Jewish Community Council of Victoria (JCCV) signed up to the ‘No To Homophobia’ campaign in 2013, the first and possibly only faith community to do so and we urged our affiliates to do likewise.  26 Jewish community organisations have also signed up to the campaign, including the Australian Union of Jewish students (AUJS), Progressive Judaism Victoria, Jewish Care, Jewish Aid, the Jewish Holocaust Centre and the Jewish Museum. Obviously Rabbi Telsner, whose organisation is not affiliated to JCCV, did not sign up.
     
     
     
     
     

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