Friday, 29 August 2014

Hate galore

From: g87
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 7:33 AM
Subject: Hate Galore

Australian for Palestine stand condemned basis Michael Burd's Brilliant lead letter in The Oz today.

Indeed one needs to contemplate the multiple - scores of photographic and other multiple frauds created to attack Israel over the decades.
  • Remember the Reuters fraud of the alleged Palestinian being bashed?
  • Or the Palestinian  multiple property - owner depicted at each PLO house destroyed? John Lyons and Nick Xenothon again used her mere months ago to bash Israel...
Then we come to photos proving the contrary about massacres in Jenin: dead PLO entities getting out of the grave when they thought the satelite photo was 'not'! The photo of the alleged destruction of Jenin was never published.

How about the multi - discredited fraud of the Goldstone report?

Oh forget not the same fraud these people did with the Israel is an Apartheid state merely days ago: the media lapped all this up.

And as M Burd writes: it promulgates HATE! Never ameliorated! Never corrected without mealy – mouthed humbug!

And when they are discredited - 'no one' remembers because their very being is repeating ad nausium their wilfull blindnes/.
Do you see the CAPITALS?
I verily quote the great Martin Luther king and the real Israel

Martin Luther King & Israel | Jewish Virtual Library


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    Deceptive photo could create climate of revenge

    THE reality of Australians for Palestine lobby group’s grubby distortions to further their demonisation campaign against Israel is more pressure on our Jewish community (“Activists’ Gaza deception”, 28/8). Security and intelligence services are already overstretched due to saturation coverage of the Gaza conflict.
    These are the sort of photos that create hatred and inspire revenge. There are some members of society who will react in anger.
    The increase in anti-Semitism is at an all-time high because there are many in our society who do not differentiate between what happens in the volatile Middle East involving Israelis and Palestinians with members of the Jewish diaspora in Australia.
    This Palestinian propaganda stunt places in doubt everything else that is disseminated by their lobby groups. Well done to Liberal MP Luke Simpkins for being so alert and having the courage to take on this highly emotional issue
    Michael Burd, Toorak, Vic
    YOUR newspaper reported that Australians for Palestine were taking advantage of tragic child victims in Syria to blame Israel for atrocities committed in Gaza. In an earlier posting to our email lists, I inadvertently used an image of dead children in Syria when I was intending to show children killed by Israel in Gaza.
    When the error was pointed out by a handful of people, I apologised to them for my error, and I apologise now.
    Events overtook me and the correction email was never sent to our lists. There was no intention to deceive as is clear from my response to Liberal MP Luke Simpkins.
    It was the picture that was wrong, not the report about Israel’s slaughter of Palestinian children.
    Children slaughtered anywhere is cause for grief. Most people do not want to see the horrific images. However, when people are being bombarded as the Palestinians certainly were by Israeli bombs, we should report on the outrages as best we can.
    Those who wish to make mileage out of some wrong images being used cannot negate the realities on the ground in Gaza. They are well documented by the media, medical teams working there and organisations such as Amnesty International. The statistics alone speak for the horrors and devastation that Israel has caused the Palestinian people.
    Sonja Karkar, Australians for Palestine, Melbourne, Vic
    ACTIVIST group Australians for Palestine used fraudulent propaganda believing it was justified in support of their cause and that of terrorist group Hamas. Meanwhile, Australian Muslims are travelling to join terrorists overseas and Muslim groups are opposed to counter-terrorism laws when 77 per cent of Australians are in favour, thus isolating themselves from the mainstream.
    As Isaac Newton showed, every action has an equal and opposite reaction; extremism breeds extremism. Australia is dividing.
    Iain Rae, River Heads, Qld
    IT IS regrettable that Australians for Palestine wrongly used a photograph of dead Syrian children as images of Palestinian children killed by Israeli bombing. From your report, one understands the purpose of the picture was to expose the horror of Israel’s actions on the children of Gaza.
    It would be a tragedy if this unfortunate incident obscures the fact that more than 2000 Gazans have been killed in this latest conflict.
    Bill Mathew, Parkville, Vic
    THE federal government is keen to legislate to prevent jihadists repatriating with impunity. Very well. But if the onus of proof is reversed, the jihadists will have won and undermined our democracy. And a law for one must apply for all, including for example, to Australians returning from service with Israel’s defence forces. Otherwise, such a law will be unfair.
    David Faber, Adelaide, SA
    GREENS leader Christine Milne displayed ignorance of international affairs and security matters when she said Australia had no business intervening in Iraq.
    Heaven help us (and the world) should the Greens ever win power, or again have the sort of influence they wielded over the Rudd-Gillard governments. Someone should drum into her that burying her head in the sand will not stop jihadists from separating it from her torso should their dreams of a caliphate not be stopped.
    Gerry Carman, Keysborough, Vic

    Thursday, 21 August 2014

    The Great Paul Murray LAST 2 night's shows!

    From: g87
    Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:27 PM
    Subject: The Great Paul Murray!

    brilliant Paul Murray on Tuesday 19/8/14

    Muslim Meeting

    You should also see last night’s...20/8  ABOVE or below!!!!! beginning of his esteemed programme: one of the best examples
    of raw courage I have ever seen.

    Misplaced Condemnation

    - See more at:



    ▼  August (37)


    Sad Really!
    But it is my fault: I made his position impossible 
    Geoff Seidner
    There is an arguably brilliant essay hereunder as well.
    It is far from complete - but it may be a great read irrespective

    From: g87
    Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 4:52 PM
    Subject: Mandela and TU TU WERE NOT CREDIBLE TOM E!!
  • Too bad this is unedited.
  • I would not impeach anything if I was you_ there is brilliant material here!
  • At 3 43 pm you said to an Israel hater who claimed that Israel was an apartheid state that ‘’ISRAEL IS NOT AS BAD’’ This fellow raised as many chimeras as he liked ... and so you answered that ISRAEL IS NOT PERFECT’’
  • Guess what?
  • This is as pathetic line – now Jews  need perfection in politics?
  • Who pn earth can say this rubbish is of course always right is a pathetic line to invariably diminish Israel and prove critical JEW haters right!!
  • And perfection is allowing all propagandist evil re settlements... allowing return of the Germans to Alsace and Lorraine,,, sarcasm here.. and the effective  destruction of Israel???
  • And NEVER FORCING THE REMOVAL OF MURDER FROM ALL THEIR CONSTITUTIONS... Oh those lovely holocaust denying Abbas PLO entities!!!
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  • INDEED YOU SEEMED TO REALIZE THIS belatedly – when you said this in self criticism.
  • AND at 3 26 pm.... when you mentioned  non service in the army for ultra religious people – this too is a chimera tainted by plain absurdium and irrelevancy!
  • Oh – and you allow a free – for all for anti semites – and mere seconds for ME!!
  • OH – and that Jewess?

  • She mentioned that Israel allows Palestinians to study at Hebrew UNI?
  • OH – you were on HER SIDE TOO!
  • You are onm everyone’s side – depending on who calls you!!
  • And guess what – there is no answer to this!
  • Here is an un edited essay that fits for you! Below
  • WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP SAYING ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND HERSELF ... this is a basic right not needed to be said!
  • Indeed a few years ago ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST was the moniker of the ignorant!!
  • Or wilfully ignorant!!
  • Geoff Seidner
  • Oh – one more thing.
  • I sent you info about the settlements
  • You plainly are only interested =in Israel haters propaganda because you did not read it!


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    Subject: Ver 1.1

    From: Geoff Seidner <>
    Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:20 PM
    To: Geoff Seidner <>

    ''You cannot criticise Israel without being accused of
    anti semitism.''
    The above mealy - mouthed excuse for Jew hatred is often
    used by antagonists of Israel to outrageously diminish Jews' right to
    their homeland.
    Structurally the words may change; but essentially our enemies identify
    themselves via this pathetic contrived canard. It is about time
    that it was debunked and exposed for what it is: a chimera; a plain derivative of
    Jew hatred.
    Plain old antisemitism.
    Anti Zionism.
    Take your pick: it is a grave error to suggest there is a difference that matters.*2
    It is my understanding that it is theoretically; nay - ethereally possible for someone, somewhere, somehow - to claim that their so - called 'criticism' is  'genuine' one and somehow their humanrights are impinged in that this 'genuine,' good natured...ho hum..'criticism' is being vitiated somehow by them not being 'allowed' to promulgate same.
    'Naturally' these denizens or champions of the ethic of virtuous criticism   DCEV (oh, another avronym!) will have taken offence at being accused of AS
    So here is the first cinchanery.
    Merely by claiming that they, the poor dears are so  accused they think / try to   gain the upper hand AKA the mantle of victimhood by say, labelling.
    Oh shock horror..... quelle horreur! The left like throwing the label moniker
    around ..thanks to ABC

    There is no doubt that they ...... the latest incantation of anti semites who rail against the title , have not reached the depravity of Sydney university where in the annals or to use  a more genteel word devoid of connotations...corridors..of the playroom of the Peace and Conflated Studies....they espouse that AS is acceptable.....!
    I guess these mavens of boycotterie will eventually progress to the stage that they will be able with honour to the Nazis... stand for parliament on the ticket that Hitler did not murder enough Jews and they feel honour bound to do better!
    You see reader... this is not merer rhetorical exaggeration. We have in Oz already progressed to the utilitarian stage...see above... how far to the senate? for acceptability?
    Is it not sad I say that one has to resort to parody, sarcasm, rhetoric....... that these entities are not being deprived of human rights in ...via their pathetic claim in effect that Israel is defacto getting an easy ride... because this is what they are essentially claiming.
    At the same time asglibly outrageously using nazi moniker and demanding more!!!!!!
    Is this not obvious that they do not act in good faith?
    Let us askk these ignoble entities; exactly what dlse could...should  Israel encourage yo... no enablre you to so plainly venomously spout forth?
      Perhaps this is my real message in this essay

    [to be edited later
    This phrase is a relative recent inculcation in media  and is seemingly difficult to rebut
    because it is set up via  the not so obvious classical paradox.
    Criticism is reasonable
    Vitiating any criticism is unreasonable.
    Therefore criticism of Israel is reasonable.
    Thus any criticism of Israel  is extended given credibility / license!
    It plainly, indubitably follows on, non?
    It is a surprisingly how effective this ruse  has become - a non sequitur that hails
    from the dubious idea that an apple is a fruit, a pear is a fruit therefore a pear is
    an apple. 1
    My main concern is that reasonable people who rail against the obvious deceit
    implicit in the title of this essay do not know how to respond.
    Intelligent, brilliant aggression is the way to rebut it. This seems to be one one
    hand obvious and sadly misplaced on the basis that I am suggesting that they
    will listen to reason. Indeed inveterate haters will not.
    But that misses the point. Completely.
    It is a lot better to attack than what is often proffered by our people:
    Too often I hear the phrase 'that you can
    indeed criticise Israel but it has to be
    'reasonable' and she must not be held to a
    standard higher / not expected of other
    people / countries'. Sigh! A certain loser that
    by it's very nature almost encourages a distorting rejoinder.
    The above is sadly utterly inadequate simply because not
    only is it weak, but our antagonists gleefully ignore
    it. And Abuse it in the way they abuse all good - faith
    comments from reasonable people. Manifestly because
    it lends itself to innumerable distortions.
    It should not surprise that the case for Israel is lost
    via the inevitable rejoinder by those who brutalize the
    naive with innumerable tripe and deliberate lies.
    Indeed - it is easy to get around the 'standard
    response' because it lends itself to mealy - mouthed
    SO I VERILY SAY:  Impeach the integrity, motivations
    and modus vivendi of those who
    proffer the above plain nonsense.
    Challenge them to make single discrete claims
    without shifting ground when that claim is proven
    Put to them that the so - called 'criticism of Israel' is
    merely their modern - day derivated justification
    for their very being - Jew hatred.
    Challenge them:  so many excellent sources for
    proving that Jew Hatred /
    anti semitism / anti Zionism and  so - called
    criticism - of -  Israel are essentially the same.
    One needs merely to  read what the late,
    great Martin Luther King Jnr. espoused.

    Note that there are multiple sources for MLK associating anti - Zionism
    with AS: but classical distortion is manifest in claims that one of
    the sources may have been 'suspect.' There are adequate sources
    for his wonderful words. See links above.