From: g87
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:17 PM
To: mitchell c
Subject: BROTHERS' CRAVEN CONSPIRACY!
Att Catherine Morrow,
Secretary Chris Mitchell
Conv seconds ago...
TO
Chris Mitchell
Editor In Chief
The Australian
Dear Mr Mitchell
Are you running a Catholic conspiracy in publishing TWO outrageous,
effectively pro PAEDOPHILIA ARTICLES in a row without allowing any
debunking?
This is not typical of your catholic mindset – or is it?
NOTE MY EFFORTS YESTERDAY! INSTEAD OF
PUBLISHING ANY CRITICISM OF craven the younger – you instead published craven
elder today!
ARE YOU GOING TO SIMILARLY CENSOR THIS ONE TOO?
Yours Sincerely
Geoff Seidner
13 Alston Gr
Easr St Kilda 3183
03 9525 9299
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cra·ven (kr  v n)
adj.
Characterized by abject fear; cowardly.
n.
A coward.
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BROTHERS' CRAVEN CONSPIRACY!
There are more than 18 errors of fact and logical extension and more in the
second of brother Cravens’ craven attempted defence of the Church’s stubborn
support of their criminal priesthood and their ‘confessional’, And that only
accounts for the first 275 words! I did not have to read more.
The seal is sacrosanct 19/11.
Here are a mere handful.
- It is a chimera claiming the ‘’constitutional minefield’’ scenario - ignoring the fact that the law does not recognize the church, their vacuous need to effectivelty whitewash criminal priests and their need for religious absolution from them having granted defacto protection to criminals! Now that is a moral mimefield o craven ones!
- Indeed as far as the law is concerned it will see the confessional as a deliberate strategy to thwart the law and give sanction [the solace derivative of sanction] Which it manifestly is.
- Furthermore, Greg C the elder craven should explain his meaningless claim that ‘’...criminal clergy do not go to confession......’’ The rest of merely this sentence is outrageous in hiding behind a non – extant ‘’....would not receive absolution unless they agreed to turn themselves in..’’ Just one example o craven one: just one!
- Instead we have non – denied examples of decent Bishops admitting multiple cover ups! ABC TV 12/11: Lateline ABUSE ROYAL COMMISSION GETS FORMER BISHOP'S BACKING Just one example o craven one! Just one where confessionals were declared violable to the law of the land.
Note – I concentrate herein only on a tiny
percentage of the craven younger article – barely mentioning the 2 – page spread
in Saturday’s The Australian Inquirer.
‘’The obvious
fact that criminal clergy do not go to confession, and would not receive
absolution unless they agreed to turn themselves in, is ignored. And if the seal
is withdrawn, so will be the disclosures. But beyond this are immense
constitutional and human rights problems.’’
Australian
Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast:
12/11/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3631176.htm
ABUSE ROYAL COMMISSION GETS FORMER BISHOP'S BACKING
LEIGH SALES: What
do you think of Cardinal Pell's view that the abuse stories are largely historic
and that they're not part of a systemic failing in the
Church?
BILL MORRIS: Well
unfortunately, Leigh, I had to deal a coupla years ago with abuse cases within
the Toowoomba Diocese of a teacher with regards to, say, a number of girls, say,
within recent history. So, it is still happening, it is still happening and it's
also happening, say, across our communities. And there are historical questions
too, but sexual abuse is still happening and we need to kinda find out why and
how we can address it.
BILL MORRIS: Um, I think probably there was, historically. I think as a community of people, I think as a community we didn't really know how to deal with it and I think probably because we didn't know how to deal with it, we swept it under the carpet and didn't, say, do what we should've done and address it at the time.
LEIGH SALES: Does
the Church even today have a priority in the way that it handles these cases to
protect the Church's reputation
foremost?
BILL MORRIS: Well
it does. Over recent years, I mentioned the program Towards Healing. And we
developed that, say, way back in the mid-'90s and over that period of time we've
used Towards Healing. Sometimes it's not the perfect program and it's not a
perfect process, but when it is used, it does, say, bring healing into victims'
lives and it does address, say, these difficult problems. But oftentimes it's
not used correctly, and if it's not used correctly, well then the answers and
the way victims are dealt with isn't done
right.
LEIGH SALES:
Bishop William Morris, thank you so much for making time to speak to
us.
Yours Sincerely
Geoff Seidner
13 Alston Gr
Easr St Kilda 3183
03 9525 9299
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From: g87
Sent: Thursday,
November 15, 2012 10:53 AM
To:
the
australian
Subject: Self -
styled confessor pell!!
The Catholic Church through
it's self - styled spokesman Archbishop Pell has:
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LEIGH SALES: I also wanted to ask you about a comment that Archbishop Pell made on the weekend where he said regarding abusive priests that back in the days when the abuse was at its worst, they were entitled to think of paedophilia as simply a sin that you could repent of. Is that accurate? Was there a time where priests thought that they were entitled to think of it as just a sin like any other?
BILL MORRIS: Um, I think probably there was, historically. I think as a community of people, I think as a community we didn't really know how to deal with it and I think probably because we didn't know how to deal with it, we swept it under the carpet and didn't, say, do what we should've done and address it at the time.
- Claimed to have been taken out of context.
- Claimed that Catholics to be akin to the Jewish temple - based 2000 year - old goat. [scapegoat]
- Claimed that paedophilia could be repented under the aegis of the 'confessional'!
- Have made attempted cover - ups into a modus vivendi.
It is irresponsible for the Church to have been
responsible for horrific abuse of children, attempted serial cover - ups - and
now have the temerity of using their illegal confessors in avoiding the law of
our country!
Not even those trying to promulgate Sharia Law
tried any of that!
All has been multiple - recorded by the ABC et
al. Special commendations are due to
Leigh Sales ex 7 30 on November 12.
I guess the Cardinal - Confessor will soon claim
that no religion has suffered as much as they!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessor
Geoff Seidner
East St Kilda
03 9525 9299
03 9525 9299
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LATELINE"
Broadcast: 12/11/2012
LEIGH SALES: I also wanted to ask you about a comment that Archbishop Pell made on the weekend where he said regarding abusive priests that back in the days when the abuse was at its worst, they were entitled to think of paedophilia as simply a sin that you could repent of. Is that accurate? Was there a time where priests thought that they were entitled to think of it as just a sin like any other?
BILL MORRIS: Um, I think probably there was, historically. I think as a community of people, I think as a community we didn't really know how to deal with it and I think probably because we didn't know how to deal with it, we swept it under the carpet and didn't, say, do what we should've done and address it at the time.
- AMAZING LEIGH SALES ABC 7 30!!!!
- 730 unexpurgated 12 Nov 2012: see highlighting in ...
- ABC 730 Pell et al Oct to Nov 15 to
- Lateline on Pell et al Oct to Nov 14
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Noun: (in the Bible) A goat sent into the wilderness after the Jewish chief priest had symbolically laid the sins of the people upon it (Lev. 16). Verb: Make a scapegoat of. Synonyms: whipping boy - fall guy - goat -
scapegoat - definition of scapegoat by the Free Online Dictionary ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/scapegoatOne that is made to bear the blame of others. 2. Bible A live goat over whose head Aaron confessed all the sins of the children of Israel on the Day of Atonement.
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Scapegoating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScapegoatingOut of the FOG. http://www.outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Scapegoating.html. Retrieved 2012-03-07. ^ "scapegoating - Definition". Mondofacto.com.
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LEIGH SALES: What do you think of Cardinal Pell's view
that the abuse stories are largely historic and that they're not part of a
systemic failing in the Church?
BILL MORRIS: Well unfortunately, Leigh, I had to deal a coupla years ago with abuse cases within the Toowoomba Diocese of a teacher with regards to, say, a number of girls, say, within recent history. So, it is still happening, it is still happening and it's also happening, say, across our communities. And there are historical questions too, but sexual abuse is still happening and we need to kinda find out why and how we can address it.
LEIGH SALES: I also wanted to ask you about a comment that Archbishop Pell made on the weekend where he said regarding abusive priests that back in the days when the abuse was at its worst, they were entitled to think of paedophilia as simply a sin that you could repent of. Is that accurate? Was there a time where priests thought that they were entitled to think of it as just a sin like any other?
BILL MORRIS: Um, I think probably there was, historically. I think as a community of people, I think as a community we didn't really know how to deal with it and I think probably because we didn't know how to deal with it, we swept it under the carpet and didn't, say, do what we should've done and address it at the time.
LEIGH SALES: Does the Church even today have a priority in the way that it handles these cases to protect the Church's reputation foremost?
BILL MORRIS: Well it does. Over recent years, I mentioned the program Towards Healing. And we developed that, say, way back in the mid-'90s and over that period of time we've used Towards Healing. Sometimes it's not the perfect program and it's not a perfect process, but when it is used, it does, say, bring healing into victims' lives and it does address, say, these difficult problems. But oftentimes it's not used correctly, and if it's not used correctly, well then the answers and the way victims are dealt with isn't done right.
BILL MORRIS: Well unfortunately, Leigh, I had to deal a coupla years ago with abuse cases within the Toowoomba Diocese of a teacher with regards to, say, a number of girls, say, within recent history. So, it is still happening, it is still happening and it's also happening, say, across our communities. And there are historical questions too, but sexual abuse is still happening and we need to kinda find out why and how we can address it.
LEIGH SALES: I also wanted to ask you about a comment that Archbishop Pell made on the weekend where he said regarding abusive priests that back in the days when the abuse was at its worst, they were entitled to think of paedophilia as simply a sin that you could repent of. Is that accurate? Was there a time where priests thought that they were entitled to think of it as just a sin like any other?
BILL MORRIS: Um, I think probably there was, historically. I think as a community of people, I think as a community we didn't really know how to deal with it and I think probably because we didn't know how to deal with it, we swept it under the carpet and didn't, say, do what we should've done and address it at the time.
LEIGH SALES: Does the Church even today have a priority in the way that it handles these cases to protect the Church's reputation foremost?
BILL MORRIS: Well it does. Over recent years, I mentioned the program Towards Healing. And we developed that, say, way back in the mid-'90s and over that period of time we've used Towards Healing. Sometimes it's not the perfect program and it's not a perfect process, but when it is used, it does, say, bring healing into victims' lives and it does address, say, these difficult problems. But oftentimes it's not used correctly, and if it's not used correctly, well then the answers and the way victims are dealt with isn't done right.
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